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Slovenian municipal coats of arms

I request review and (partial) undeletion of the files deleted as result of this request without a proper discussion. Although the request was actually mentioned by a third user in one of the unofficial communication channels of the Slovenian Wikipedia community, the requester or involved Commons administrators could have notified the local community through the village pump of the local project about the ongoing discussion. Since these files are actively used on the project, such a notification could have helped ensure that relevant comments were made already during the deletion discussion.

Generally, coats of arms are exempt from copyright law in Slovenia, see Template:PD-Slovenia-exempt. One might argue that some images were "independent creations" (as per the earlier discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/Images of coats of arms of Slovenian municipalities). However, (1) it is highly debatable whether such works can be considered original if they only follow the textual description; and (2) the requester did not verify the actual source of the images. The link he cited is dead, and deleting files originating from dead links could have far-reaching consequences for the project. One of Commons’ goals is to preserve free media, and losing it due to link rot seems counterproductive. In the case of dead links, the assumption should not automatically be that the files are problematic. Fortunately, there are initiatives such as the Internet Archive that help us verify sources.

While some images indeed have come from third-party websites (which are now also dead, for example for Žirovnica), in several cases the files are direct reproductions of official heraldic acts. For example, the deleted coat of arms of Žužemberk (cached copy of the file information page) cites http://public.carnet.hr/fame/hrvat/si-obc20.html#si-zv as the source. This in turn cites Odlok o grbu in zastavi Občine Žužemberk, št. 8/00, which is an official municipal document. See the archived source. This is an official document, which means that in addition to the copyright exemption, it is also considered informacija javnega značaja (information of public character). Under Slovenian law, such materials must be publicly available and freely reusable, since official acts cannot be restricted by copyright in a way that prevents public access.

Therefore, even if a particular depiction were argued to be an “independent creation,” its publication within an official act places it firmly in the public domain as information of public character.


The files that should be reviewed are:
* File:Coat of arm of Hrastnik.png

I propose to:

  • Undelete the deleted files to allow the community to review them carefully on a case-by-case basis, using archived sources (e.g. via Internet Archive)
  • Subsequent edits by CommonsDelinker on Slovenian Wikipedia should also be reversed where the files are restored (see sl:Special:Contributions/CommonsDelinker)

Best regards, --Miha (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Smihael: Maybe, it would be better to upload images that are clearly covered by the exemption and request undeletion only if the upload is prevented due to being binary identical with the deleted ones? Ankry (talk) 05:54, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So due to an overly narrow interpretation of copyright and lack of notice to the affected community, valuable files were lost and now others must dig through archives or search for alternatives to replace them. This is counterproductive — these files should be restored in good faith, and the burden of proof that they are not free should lie with the deletion requester and judged on an individual basis. In general, coats of arms are exempt from copyright protection in Slovenia, and the claim that these are copyrightable individual interpretations is doubtful at best, if not outright flawed... What definitely was flawed, is the deletion process itself, as it wrongly assumed that all files from a certain dead link were problematic. Imagine a hypothetical situation where Flickr shuts down: are we just going to delete thousands of imported images simply because their licenses are no longer easily verifiable? -- Miha (talk) 07:21, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose I was the deleting Admin. First, we cannot manufacture discussion. The DR was open for three and a half months. All of the uploaders were notified and no  Keep appeared there. We get about 10,000 new files every day and around 1,500 of them must be deleted. Most of this work is done by 20 Admins. We simply do not have the human resources to even think about "notifi[ng] the local community through the village pump of the local project about the ongoing discussion".

As for "Imagine a hypothetical situation where Flickr shuts down", this is why we have License Review -- so that there is a record of the license status of files that might otherwise be a problem. As far as I know, none of the uploaders requested license review for any of the files.

Also, please note that "the burden of proof that they are not free should lie with the deletion requester" is backward. Commons clear policy is that those who would keep a file must prove that it is either PD or freely licensed.

Finally, I examined a random dozen of the files before the deletion and found none that qualified for use on Commons. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:13, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment The more pressing question is whether all coats of arms published on official pages of Slovenian municipalities are public domain or only those that have been published in the Official Gazette (Uradni list Republike Slovenije) or elsewhere as annexes to municipal ordinances. --TadejM (t/p) 10:59, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. Those are in fact different legal questions, and I think we should not be conflating them.
  • First (copyright): coats of arms, when adopted as official municipal symbols, generally do not qualify for ordinary copyright protection in Slovenia — they are treated as official symbols or public emblems rather than ordinary works. The question of derivative versions is separate: such variants usually do not cross the threshold of originality, as they only follow the wording describing the coat of arms. If there are substantial differences, we should anyway avoid them to prevent confusion.
  • Second (access / source of the file): The doctrine of informacija javnega značaja (the right of access to public information) requires that documents held by public authorities — including municipal graphical identity or coat of arms files — be made accessible and reusable, unless a statutory exception applies. This principle is recognized in the Constitution (see https://e-kurs.si/komentar/kaj-je-informacija-javnega-znacaja/) and is implemented in the Access to Public Information Act (ZDIJZ). ZDIJZ applies to all state bodies, local government bodies, and related public law entities, requiring them to provide access and re-use of public information (including works created by them or acquired from others) unless specifically exempt (for example: national security, personal data protection, internal deliberations, trade secrets) regardless of the medium or format in which the information is stored. Thus, whether the coat of arms was published in Uradni list or only on a municipal website is irrelevant under access law — what matters is that the public authority holds the file and that it is not subject to a statutory exemption.
  • There remains the separate question of how the coat of arms may be used to prevent misuse. That is regulated by municipal acts (usage ordinances, design rules, prohibitions), and is separate from copyright concerns. On Wikimedia Commons, you will often see notices such as despite the copyright status, additional restrictions may apply (e.g. photos of cultural heritage, local usage rules). So potential presence of usage restrictions does not automatically invalidate a file’s eligibility on Commons as long as the file itself is not under copyright protection.
To sum up: the version of the coat of arms found in municipal materials can generally be used without issue, because it has already been published by the public authority, is publicly available, and is effectively exempt from copyright under Slovenian law. Therefore, the requester should check which of the files were sourced from official documents and at least restore those!
In my view, the first part of rationale also covers coat of arms images sourced from elsewhere: even if they are derivatives (and not mere copies of versions found in municipial documents), they typically do not cross the threshold of originality and so do not attract separate copyright. If you accept this logic, then all the files in this discussion should be restored. That said, it is of course a better policy to gradually replace them with versions directly sourced from official documents, and even better if redrawn in vector format (so quality and fidelity are improved). But that is no justification to leave the files deleted in the meantime. -- Miha (talk) 04:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I somehow doubt that all municipal coats of arms are copyright exempt in Slovenia. For example, this page cites the Municipality of Grosuplje as the copyright holder. --TadejM (t/p) 10:51, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, there are solid sources to claim that. Article 9 of the ZASP (Copyright and Related Rights Act) lists official legislative, administrative and judicial texts among non-protected creations (i.e. not covered by ordinary copyright). A study, commissioned by the Slovenian Research and Innovation Agency and co-authored by the Institute for Comparative Law at the Faculty of Law in Ljubljana, explains that although ZASP uses the term official texts, in practice the category extends to materials published as part of, or as annexes to, official texts—explicitly including drawings of the state coat of arms, municipal coats of arms, flags, traffic-sign drawings, urban plans, and the anthem (see section 2.1.2 Nejasnost pojma uradna besedila, pp. 27–28).
While it's true that some municipalities (as in your example) present themselves as copyright holders, this mostly reflects a widespread misunderstanding of basic copyright principles. Many people — including public officials — are generally un(der)educated about copyright issues and often use “copyright” loosely when they actually mean that it is legally protected by special rules. Again, such claims do not override the copyright status of the works. -- Miha (talk) 11:24, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "in practice the category extends to materials published as part of, or as annexes". This would mean that only those municipal coats of arms "that have been published in the Official Gazette (Uradni list Republike Slovenije) or elsewhere as annexes to municipal ordinances" qualify as copyright exempt. --TadejM (t/p) 13:20, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great, so we at least agree that the municipal coats of arms, which are sourced from official sources are not protected by copyright.
I checked https://web.archive.org/web/20091208063825/http://public.carnet.hr/fame/hrvat/si-obc.html and this already concerns many deleted coat of arms. On the first page alone, I found that most of the files were indeed sourced from official acts, including:
  • Ajdovscina
  • Beltinci
  • Benedikt
  • Bistrica ob Sotli
  • Bled
  • Bloke
  • Bohinj
@TadejM Please, go through the remaining files and undelete those coming from official acts.
As for the other files, I still believe they are also unproblematic. In most cases, they likely come from official acts through intermediaries, but this is not the key issue. What matters is the official nature of the symbol, not its intermediate source. To clarify, any faithful depiction (which was as far as I can remember the case for all deleted files) of a coat of arms does not meet the threshold of originality required for copyright protection. Since these symbols are not original designs, they do not qualify for copyright. -- Miha (talk) 14:53, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And actually, other coat of arms can be easily sourced from official sources. Redirects can be made to resolve any deadlinks caused by this deletion. --Miha (talk) 15:11, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Images could be undeleted if directly taken from an official document (ordinance, see e.g. Vrhnika) but not if the official document contains only a blazon. It will take time to check all of them. Regarding the threshold, these images are quite original and at least some have been designed by a professional company (Heraldika d.o.o); I'm not certain why they would fall below a TOO. --TadejM (t/p) 17:17, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t really see a problem here. If you look again at the study I cited above, it is clear that once a coat of arms is part of an official document (including annexes to ordinances), it falls under the category of official texts within the meaning of Article 9 ZASP. That means two things: (1) they are not subject to ordinary copyright, and (2) this applies regardless of whether the drawing was created in-house or commissioned from a third party. The study itself explicitly references Copyright and Related Rights Act with a commentary by Trampuž, Oman and Zupančič. I am trying to obtain a copy of that commentary, which should clear up any remaining doubt on this point.
As for your Vrhnika example. The act you are citing above is no longer in force. The updated Odlok o grbu in zastavi Občine Vrhnika (13.2.02) removes any ambiguity: Grba in zastave občine Vrhnika se ne sme avtorsko zavarovati (the coat of arms and flag cannot be copyright-protected) and that Izvirnike grba in zastave občine Vrhnika v vseh oblikah hrani Občinska uprava občine Vrhnika (the originals in all forms are kept by the municipal administration). In legal terms, that is equivalent to annex publication. Under ZDIJZ, the official source file can be requested directly from the authority and freely reused.
And even if the earlier act with the poor-quality scan were still valid, that still would not magically make faithful reproductions reach TOO. If the emblem is prescribed and published in an official act (as it is), then any accurate reproduction is non-copyright under ZASP and cannot be treated otherwise. Period. -- Miha (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What the actual ordinance really says about Vrhnika is that "Grba in zastave občine Vrhnika se ne sme avtorsko zavarovati [po drugih osebah] brez dovoljenja občine" (the coat of arms and flag must not be copyright-protected [by other parties] without a permission of the municipality). In any case, as the image of the coat of arms was previously published in the Official Gazette, it is copyright-exempt. A similar clause is contained in the ordinance issued by the Municipality of Preddvor: "avtorske pravice si pridrži občina" (Copyright is retained by the municipality).[1] --TadejM (t/p) 09:59, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am going through the list of deleted images and will undelete those that are exact images copied from official publications. For example, File:Trbovlje.png is an exact copy from https://www.e-obcina.si/vsebina/uradni-vestnik-zasavja-st-112015. --TadejM (t/p) 10:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now undeleted some as per the above. --TadejM (t/p) 17:37, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. -- Miha (talk) 02:13, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've got access to the aforementioned commentary on copyright act. The exceprt (pp. 54-55) below discusses how the term "official text" should be interpreted and extended to include other categories.
Pojem besedila - Po vzoru Bernske konvencije zakon govori o »besedilih«, čeprav se v okviru uradnih pristojnosti in oblastvenih upravičenj pogosto objavljajo tudi druge kategorije avtorskih del, in sicer kot del uradnega besedila, kot njegova priloga ali pa samostojno (npr. dela urbanizma, kanografije, zbirke, baze podatkov). Tudi za take kategorije lahko velja, da so uradnega značaja in da je njihovo poslanstvo v čim večjem razširjanju. Z vidika njihovega namena se torej ne razlikujejo od zakonov, odločb ali drugih uradnih besedil. Temu ustrezno pojma »besedila« iz člena 9/1 tč. 2 ZASP ni mogoče tolmačiti samo dobesedno, temveč s primerno razširitvijo na druge kategorije del. Pogoj je, da gre za uradne kategorije (z vsemi značilnostmi tega pojma) ter da se taka interpretacija opravi glede na vse okoliščine primera in previdno. V dvomu bo merodajen predvsem uradni značaj dela: uravnavanja družbenih razmerij s to kategorijo avtorskega dela se ne da doseči le z uradno objavo, temveč tudi z nadaljnjim (za vsakogar) neoviranim in poljubnim reproduciranjem (Ulmer, § 30, II, 2; Schricker/Karzettberger, § 5, tč. 42).
I marked parts relavant for our discussion. Later on they discuss several examples and as already established by the aformentioned study, this also includes coat of arms. You can see that the intention of the exemption is to ensure that, among others official symbols, can be freely used and reproduced in order to fulfill their function. This supports my claim that it is the official nature of the coat of arms that matters, not where it is pusblished (in Uradni list or independently). Therefore the coat of arms from municipial sites should be fine. -- Miha (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The undeletion discussion in the following section is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive.

I agree with Bedivere. Textlogo would be simple, but the image in the left is complex. For example white cross: its thickness varies, it is thicker in the middle of the logo. Taivo (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bedivere:Por favor restaure solamente textlogo (nueva versión) pero que elimine el símbolo lado izquierdo y que agrega el témplate {{TOO-UK}}. AbchyZa22 (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done: per discussion. --Bedivere (talk) 04:14, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,
I inherited Easthope2HPCrankcaseCoverAndClutchHousingDwg3055.jpg and Easthope2HPCrankcaseCoverAndClutchHousingDwg3055.png and want to restore as discussed at the Village Pump.

If the files are restored, I'll license as {{Cc-by-sa-4.0-heirs}}.

Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 20:00, 17 October 2025 (UTC) (Peter E.)[reply]

 Oppose The file says,

"The drawing was made by Tom H. Jermyn in employ of family business Easthope Bros. Ltd. Jermyn died years ago and I inherited the drawing from the owners, my grandfather and father."

The copyright was initially owned by the creator, Tom Jermyn. If, and only if, he had a formal Work for hire agreement with the company, then the company would be able to freely license the image. Whether your grandfather had that right depends on how the company was closed. If it went bankrupt and the assets were auctioned off, then one of the auction buyers, not your grandfather, has the rights. If, on the other hand, it simply closed its doors, paid off all its creditors in full, and the assets went to your grandfather, then he had the rights to the drawing.

Note that this was a Canadian company, so lack of notice doesn't help us. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Jermyn was a salaried employee. The drawings he produced as an employee belonged to him? To the company?
Beyond that is w:Fair dealing in Canadian copyright law. The parts depicted in the drawing are no longer commercial products. Interest is purely a hobby of individuals. Therefore fair dealing for private study applies. Correct?
Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PeterEasthope: I am fine with assuming that Tom Jermyn was an employee, and that the copyright is owned by the company. But fair use is not allowed on Commons. Yann (talk) 06:44, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would be unusual, but not unheard of, for a draftsman to have a formal written work for hire agreement in place. Without one, the company had no right to free license the drawing. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:28, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If he was a permanent employee, I would assume that his work was a work for hire. Otherwise, yes, it depends on the contract. Yann (talk) 09:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not clear about the question or questions here.
(1) Was Tom Jermyn a permanent employee? To me, definitely yes. His name is on drawings over a span of years. Eventually he retired as seen from Davidson producing the later drawings. Vaguely remember a mention in a local newspaper that he retired to live near a daughter in a southern US state.
(2) Can I find an employment contract for Tom Jermyn? Extremely unlikely. He retired around 1935. I might succeed in finding his name in old time & payroll notebooks.
(3) Is "work for hire" applicable only in copyright law? Do all salaried employees perform work for hire? Eg., is a school teacher working full time in a public school performing work for hire?
(4) "Fair use" is disallowed because it is too indefinite and subject to argument?
Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 14:28, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
P.s. This may be the Tom Jermyn we refer to. https://39cer-museum.net/Biographies/files/JermynLtColThomasHenryMBE.pdf. Finding all his descendants and securing copyright permission would be an interesting odyssey. Anyone happen to live in the vicinity of Cabool or of Walnut Shade in Missouri? Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Probably true, but irrelevant
  2. see #3
  3. work for hire is a term of art in intellectual property law. Without a formal written work for hire agreement, all intellectual property created by an employee (principally patents and copyrights) belongs to the employee. This is why most careful employers make creative employees (engineers, writers, etc) sign one. Draftsmen usually do not sign one and many smaller companies don't know that they need them.
  4. Fair use is specific to a situation case by case. As a general repository, Commons does not qualify.

.     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:55, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanations. Probably this gravestone and biography are for Tom and his wife.
https://missourigravestones.org/view.php?id=762105
https://39cer-museum.net/Biographies/files/JermynLtColThomasHenryMBE.pdf
Children or grandchildren or great grandchildren may exist but I haven't yet found evidence of living descendants. Does copyright propagate indefinitely? Thirty to thirtyfive generations after a work is created, much of the human population shares copyright? What becomes of copyright when there are no descendants?
Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 17:59, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This explains expiry of copyright in Canada.
https://www.lib.sfu.ca/help/academic-integrity/copyright/length
And this for the U.S.A.
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html
Therefore a copyright of Jermyn will expire about the end of 2068. If Commons keeps the drawing archived, it can be resurrected in about 43 years. I'll be gone but others may be interested.
Regards, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 21:36, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
P.s. Can you can set an automatic undeletion to occur 2068-12-31? Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Am I missing something? This was a work for hire and you inherited the company property (but not the company as it was closed)? Then you should be able to license this image -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 21:55, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to the legal argumentation, Tom Jermyn retained copyright. Who would I license the image from? Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 23:11, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article you linked to says work for hire happens automatically in Canada, without needing a formal agreement transferring copyright. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 21:57, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it is the same in France. Yann (talk) 14:43, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The links I gave above refer to expiry of copyright. Work for hire is not mentioned; correct?
Thanks, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 23:21, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was replying to @Jameslwoodward: as he linked to en:Work_for_hire#Canada and it appears to me that Tom Jermyn did not retain the copyright if he was a regular employee of your grandfather's business, and you currently hold any copyright. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 20:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for deletion was: I don't think the original photo is in the public domain in the United States (which is required on Commons) even if it is in the public domain in Argentina. I doubt the photo even belongs to that Argentinian newspaper, so I doubt it is in the public domain in Argentina either

Also:

The photo should be PD in USA. It was published in some American newspapers during that time without author and copyright notice. For example, The Boston Globe [2] on 14 February 1984, The Evening News [3] on 13 February 1984, Standard-Freeholder on 24 December 1984 [4].

Ping @Turkmenistan and @Ur Nan123 for discussion. Roman Kubanskiy (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a photo from Associated Press who publish this photo at their web site with the following credit: "Soviet Politburo member Konstantin Chernenko is seen, 1983. (AP Photo)". The location is said to be Moscow, Russia. (ap.org). Thuresson (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AP images published between 1964 and 1977 in a newspaper that did not include a copyright notice for the image are in the public domain. By at least 1981 AP began including copyright notices on some photos.' But this one doesn't have.
I guess it should be {{PD-US-1978-89}} Roman Kubanskiy (talk) 16:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thuresson ? Roman Kubanskiy (talk) 11:04, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose It is not possible to say for sure that this photo is public domain in the country of origin. It is probably not by an Associated Press photographer since the photographer is said to be anonymous. Thuresson (talk) 07:04, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These images are not pornographic in nature in that they do not highlight or focus on parts of the body for prurient purposes, nor depict sexual arousal or activity. They are genuine images of the common naturist activity of hiking in the nude in natural surroundings.

This does not constitute the abuse of Wikimedia as a private web host. There is a genuine interest in such photos being in the public domain and a reason why they might be used to illustrate and enhance informative and educational articles about naturism. Indeed, both have already been used for this purpose on Substack to illustrate two separate serious articles on nudism. References: https://aneverydaynaturist.substack.com/p/taking-your-friend-to-a-first-naturist https://aneverydaynaturist.substack.com/p/5-common-questions-that-people-ask

I therefore request that both be undeleted.

--Gaisarix (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2025 (UTC)John Wigham (Gaisarix)[reply]

 Oppose It's still exhibitionism, no matter how you phrase it. Personal images of non-contributors are out of scope. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The flag represents the cultural identity of the Laz people, an indigenous ethnic group of the Black Sea region. It is not a political or separatist symbol — it does not stand for any terrorism, movement, or organization. It is used purely to express cultural pride, unity, and continuity among Laz people in Turkey, Georgia, and the diaspora.

This flag is widely used by Laz communities, cultural associations, and individuals online and at festivals to represent their presence and heritage. It’s one of the few visible symbols that modern Laz people still share. Deleting it removes one of the last existing signs of their cultural representation on the internet.

The flag’s design and symbolism have clear cultural meaning — it uses traditional Laz colors and the ancient Borjgali symbol, common across the Caucasus, representing life, continuity, and the sun. It’s a peaceful emblem tied to identity, not politics.

Similar ethnic and cultural flags — such as those of the Sami, Ainu, Abkhaz, and Circassians — are accepted on Wikimedia Commons for educational and cultural purposes. Keeping this flag aligns with Wikimedia’s mission of preserving global cultural diversity and ensuring visibility of minority groups.

There are no copyright or legal issues with the design. It was uploaded in good faith for educational use on the Lazistan and Laz people Wikipedia pages, where it provides valuable cultural context.

Removing it completely erases an important part of Laz identity online — for a community already with little to no representation. At the very least, this flag deserves to exist as a symbol of cultural heritage, not be removed as if it doesn’t exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SelimNoir (talk • contribs) 14:08, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose Per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fictitious flag of Lazistan.svg. Thuresson (talk) 16:21, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, can someone please undeletion pontifical monogram of the 20th supreme patriarch of Thailand and pontifical monogram of Eyanasamvara Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayakln (talk • contribs) 15:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose These files are not in the public domain. We need a formal written permission for a free license from the copyright holder. If you have such a permission, please see COM:VRT for the procedure. Yann (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe (it's been so long!) that this is the image published at https://www.facebook.com/JessicaPimentelOfficial/posts/pfbid02GWtczLnDWtrF4iDK8jCTpkD34s8bGCpMoaRfuVXKvDxZ47nPr6YBu4iaaTzKbYPEl I replied to that Facebook post asking if it was actually released by Ms. Pimentel, since that wasn't clear. Nine weeks went by, and I stopped following up. But it seems that Ms. Pimentel has since followed up and admitted this was her, or her agent, and would like it undeleted. Take a look. --GRuban (talk) 20:16, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose If I understand the response on FB correctly, it was George Ruban who responded, not Pimentel. Also, Pimentel claims be the actual photographer, but it doesn't look like a selfie. I think this needs a formal license using VRT. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:04, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, followed up to that Facebook post. Could well be another 10 weeks. GRuban (talk) 23:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Permission delivered to VRT, ticket 2025050510002183 --Gampe (talk) 07:33, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ESTEC-PHOTO-1967.02.186-001.jpg

Permission delivered twice i.e. on 17 and 21 October to VRT team.

Please be so kind as to undelete.

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by OApopcult (talk • contribs) 10:33, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

--User:OApopcult (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]